Posts by Sam Beli

Hi again Just,

Maybe I am getting too old to make the mental jump you are asking. My point was that I think many anointed have long known that in reality they have never been in the loop.

As a kid (that was back when I could still do some thinking) I too noticed that the anointed got their Watchtowers and studied them just as we did. I recall asking my dad if the Society asked the anointed for input, called them all to Brooklyn, etc (boy, was I nave).

I also remember my dad saying that an old-timer (anointed) expressed to him some doubt about truly being of the anointed. Ive heard younger anointed complain about not having any communication with the higher-ups in Brooklyn.

Deep down I think many know in their hearts that not all is "right" with the JW world.

That having been said, you certainly have a point from the legalistic perspective. But I do not recall that the GB or big boys that preceded the GB ever claimed to be selected by the rank file anointed (how is that for a new expression?). Seems to me that it was always excepted that somehow Jehovah selected the big boys/GB to represent the anointed on earth.

Your point about most not even being aware of the multitude of corporations currently existing is accurate, Im sure. That in it self will keep most anointed and others from waking up to the problem you outline.

Sam

NN said: " and that all true earthly members of the anointed FDS would always be in exact synchrony with the GB, since they're all running under the guidance of the Holy Spirit "

Yes, of course, we all know and have faith that these thousands would agree as though they were one, just as the GB made up of just over a dozen members thinks and acts together in total and complete harmony and agreement always on all matters.

Good to "see" you again Just.

"Does anyone else see a subtle theft of control, ?"

Not really. They (GB) can not steal from the "faithful slave" what that slave never had. As far back as I can remember (the 40s) the "anointed" have been totally out of the loop. The WT publications have helped keep the confusion intact by using the words "Governing Body," Faithful Slave Class," "Remnant" and "Anointed" rather interchangeably.

According to JW dogma, the "remnant" make up "the remaining ones of the 144,000 still on earth." Much of what they claim that scripture gives by way of power to the FDS, is actually given to the GB in the JW system of things.

I recall as a kid wondering about this issue. Why was the nice old lady who seldom ever spoke during a meeting considered one of the anointed? What input did she have regarding matters dealt with in Brooklyn? Was she asked for her opinion on important mattes?

Why did the brother who returned home from Bethel to marry a local lady say that he was a voting member of the Society, yet he did not partake of the emblems (remember, this was 50 years ago)?

It has been commented on in threads sometime back that the big boys in Brooklyn do not trust the younger "anointed." Maybe, like some of used to, they question the authenticity of their claim? But then, some of us question the claim of the GB in Brooklyn.

Sam B.

Hawk, what was the outcome of the debate over Jim Pentons appearance?

Thanks, btw, for your excellent coverage of this event.

Sam

forthwith (frth-wĭ TH ', -wĭth', fōrth-)
adv.

At once; immediately.

[Middle English, from forth with , along with, at the same time as.]

>Rather than inform the Children's Aid Society and permit Boer to seek counselling outside the church, she was

Why is it that in these circumstances the accused has the opportunity to confront his/her accuser while in most other cases of JW judicial practice the accused is not allowed to directly confront the accuser (s)? Bill Bowens case is just one example.

Is this yet another example of outrageous injustice and inconsistency in the JW "judicial" system? I think I know the answer, but I would appreciate hearing the actual experiences of others.

Edited by - Sam Beli on 11 September 2002 13:7:19